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• 7/25/2017

Full guidelines | Manual of style

Full guidelines have finally been established for this wiki. They can be found here. The general policies can be found here. I urge all of you to read both pages thoroughly and, from now on, respect the rules established there. Also, please edit all articles that violate these guidelines and uplift them to a state where they are faithful to the manual of style.

Do you have a suggestion regarding the improvement of the guidelines and policies? Do not hesitate to leave your idea here.

Warning: The policies and guidelines will never cease to be updated, so make sure to re-read them from time to time.

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• 7/25/2017

can we have an additional indicator besides green and red.  the particular shades are hard for people with color receptor deficiencies to distinguish.  a different hash pattern perhaps.

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• 7/25/2017

Really great! Thanks for working on this.

The only thing I will mention is that you may want to in the future make a distinction between guidelines and policies. Usually guidelines are more loosely enforced, whereas policies tend to be more like wiki laws.

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• 7/25/2017

These look good.

There is, however, a lot of information in the Manual of Style and it seems to me that it might need reorganization (or multiple pages; I believe wookiepedia and memoryalpha take this approach). For example, "Subjectivity and certain verbages" don't really fall under "Formatting", and they seem like they could certainly stand on their own.

...subheadings are considered are grave offense to the manual of style and to the wiki council itself and repeated iterations of this error could lead to severe sanctions.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but "severe sanctions" seems disproportionate to the crime. Is the penalty so extreme because this is such a common issue, or known to cause edit wars?

Something I would add is a section regarding issues of perspective. For example, see the page on the Interplanetary War. We're playing in-universe historians here (yes?), so while it may be relevant to mention Bobbie and Amos as leading the assualt on the Ring Station it shouldn't be written with emphasis on them as primary characters of the novels.

For the Policy page, I would suggest adding something along the lines of "or other bigoted statements" since racism and sexism aren't the only discrimenatory behaviors that could arise.

I also noticed the reference to talk pages (discussing edit wars); does this wiki have those? It seems like the comment section is what we have instead, and, if so, it would be clearer to say "comment section".

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• 7/25/2017

Orthochronicity wrote:

There is, however, a lot of information in the Manual of Style and it seems to me that it might need reorganization (or multiple pages; I believe wookiepedia and memoryalpha take this approach).

You can't expect a wiki to jump to the level and complexity of Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia in the first try. It takes time. I should know, since I went through all of that on WoWWiki.

There are several things to work on, but several of the changes you suggested need to be discussed and agreed upon separately. You could start forum threads on the various aspects you'd like to change.

Orthochronicity wrote:

I also noticed the reference to talk pages (discussing edit wars); does this wiki have those? It seems like the comment section is what we have instead, and, if so, it would be clearer to say "comment section".

Talk pages still exist, but the new UI doesn't expose the way to get to them easily if Comments are turned on apparently.

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• 7/26/2017
You can't expect a wiki to jump to the level and complexity of Memory Alpha and Wookieepedia in the first try. It takes time. I should know, since I went through all of that on WoWWiki.

There are several things to work on, but several of the changes you suggested need to be discussed and agreed upon separately. You could start forum threads on the various aspects you'd like to change.

Sorry, I wan't trying to demand these changes, only get the ball rolling on discussing them (I figured this was the thread for that).

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• 9/2/2017
Orthochronicity wrote:

We're playing in-universe historians here (yes?)

EXACTLY! That is the perspective everyone should have in mind when editing. Imagine you're part of the universe, a historian from The Expanse's future, documenting the series' events.

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• 9/4/2017

MysticalArchAngel wrote:

Orthochronicity wrote:
We're playing in-universe historians here (yes?)
EXACTLY! That is the perspective everyone should have in mind when editing. Imagine you're part of the universe, a historian from The Expanse's future, documenting the series' events.

Certain pages we have written as "in-universe historians" while others we do not.

Season pages and book pages aren't

Orthochronicity wrote: Sorry, I wan't trying to demand these changes, only get the ball rolling on discussing them (I figured this was the thread for that).

Some stuff really needs to be discussed and some stuff needs clarification before there will be buy-in. Often, this consensus has implied or assumed and written as such. Drafts are seldom discussed before they're declared official. Often it is written as though any possible discussion is already closed and discussion is thusly discouraged. ☹ It does say that it will be updated, though!

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• 9/5/2017
AlbertEpstein wrote:

MysticalArchAngel wrote:


Orthochronicity wrote:
We're playing in-universe historians here (yes?)
EXACTLY! That is the perspective everyone should have in mind when editing. Imagine you're part of the universe, a historian from The Expanse's future, documenting the series' events.
Certain pages we have written as "in-universe historians" while others we do not.

Season pages and book pages aren't

Well, obviously, there are some exceptions, like Season and Episode pages. But pages that document solely in-universe events, such as the Interplanetary War, should be written from an in-universe perspective.

For me, the wiki that (nearly) perfeclty manages this is Halopedia. All in-universe events are documented just like an in-universe historian would.

Orthochronicity wrote:
For the Policy page, I would suggest adding something along the lines of "or other bigoted statements" since racism and sexism aren't the only discrimenatory behaviors that could arise.

Agreed. By me. All other SC members have to agree.

Orthochronicity wrote:
I also noticed the reference to talk pages (discussing edit wars); does this wiki have those? It seems like the comment section is what we have instead, and, if so, it would be clearer to say "comment section".

No, we don't have a section for edit wars. I could draft up something and present it to you all, see what you think.

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• 9/11/2017

MysticalArchAngel wrote:

Orthochronicity wrote:
For the Policy page, I would suggest adding something along the lines of "or other bigoted statements" since racism and sexism aren't the only discrimenatory behaviors that could arise.

Agreed. By me. All other SC members have to agree.

Yes, racism and sexism should be presented as examples and the list of discriminatory behaviors should not need to be comprehensive... The internet is horribly creative about how it can think up new forms of discrimination.

MysticalArchAngel wrote:

Orthochronicity wrote:
I also noticed the reference to talk pages (discussing edit wars); does this wiki have those? It seems like the comment section is what we have instead, and, if so, it would be clearer to say "comment section".

No, we don't have a section for edit wars. I could draft up something and present it to you all, see what you think.

Using an abbreviated version of Wikipedia's edit war policy is usually a good start.

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