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  • I was looking at a few pages for characters from the novels and ended up doing some edits on Lydia's page. I had a few questions related to wiki policy that I wonder if you could help me with.  

    I noticed that the link to "Timmy" is a red link. Should it link to Amos Burton's novel page, or should there be a redirect? And as for Amos Burton, since he's named after someone else, should that person have a page as well? Lydia's page also has a red link to "Burton".

    After reading Amos Burton's page, I read the commentaries and someone else had noted that the page was more of a synopsis of the books than a biography. The same goes for Alex's page. Do you like it like this or would you want it altered to focus more on the specific character's roles instead of just generic book recaps?

    I read the manual of style and it didn't seem to address these topics. I thought I should check with someone before just diving in :)

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    • Thank you for reaching out.  ;D We love seeing the high level of interest in the wiki.  As much as feasible we like to encourage contributions.  

      As you can imagine, this is a big world and it takes the generous contribution hours of numerous volunteers to fill it out her on this wiki.

      Generally, the red links are placeholders which I hope to get back to and would like others to consider it an open invitation to help by creating the missing article linked. 

      For character pages, it has become a common practice to include the provide a summary of the character's actions and development throughout the novels.  the progression of the character tends to take the bulk of each wiki article.   There is a designated section at the top of each article to describe the character's background, rappearance, elationships and personality.  These are omitted on many articles simply from lack of time more than from lack of intent or desire. 

      Writing carefully thought out and objective descriptions of either the personality or the character narative can be a exhausting cognitive exercise and those persons with keen skills doing them are valued.  It can be intimidating but starting the outline is often inspiration for other contributors to follow up so please allow me to know how I can motiviate you to just start and give your best effort.

      For the specific case of Burton and Timmy for anyone who has read the short "The Churn", it is a slight disconnect to realize the character everyone refers to Amos Burton is not the original.  It may be tricky to consistently and accurately express that in terms of article names and wiki links.  I have considered different possibilities and the merits of each but have not personally committed to one that I deem optimal.  i can be convinced of either but, I am leaning toward creating a separate brief page for Timmy which includes a "See also" section which in turn links to the main Amos Burton.   The Amos Burton page could also have a link in its "See also" section that refers to the "Timmy" article.

      Burton should have his own page, yes.  It should have links in "See also" section to the main Amos Burton article and to the minor "Timmy" article.  Those articles should link back to Burton.

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    • Thanks for your response! I hadn't actually read "The Churn" and was just trying to edit Lydia for clarity when these questions popped up. So I checked it out and read it last night. I'm going to give the Churn characters a whirl in the next few days as I have time.

      My opinion on whether or not "Timmy" needs a separate page: Since Amos is known throughout most of the Expanse novels AS Amos, and is really only "Timmy" in "The Churn", it might be good to just have a "Timmy" page that redirects to the Amos page. Amos's intro and bio on Amos's page can  give the Timmy info.

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    • Thanks! I'll catch you on Solotalkmedia's "Tales of the Rocinante"?

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  • I did not mean to overwrite your addition to the section. I was taking your advice to heart, that entries should be written from the perspective of a journalist or a historian. If that is the case, then the use of personal pronouns should be avoided.

    Also when you mention "sections of the letters disappear", are you referring to letters fading out, the phrase seems a little ambigious. Moreover,  DIN Pro font might require a bit of explanation,  not everyone is an expert on font types.

    Another point I would like to bring to your attention: "modified type", are you referring to the typeface, or an alternative credit sequence.

    Nemo2012 (talk) 11:58, May 9, 2018 (UTC)

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    • You asked for my opinion.  I have given my guidance and you are demonstrating a resistance to it.   You have evaded a good faith discussion. 

      You have escalated in the past and you demanded that I be relieved. The judgment came down that you were making personal attacks against me and that I would not be relieved.  You have been warned in the past by myself and by other administrators so I do not need to repeat myself or the warnings of the past.

      I have expressed that my patience on this recurring matter is dwindling.

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    • Point one -  a discussion is suppose to be a collaboration not a fiat

      Point two - the "council" ruled on my contributions not on any alleged "personal attacks" get your facts straight. But as I said if you continue to exhibit this "short fuse"of yours:

      You have escalated in the past and you demanded that I be relieved. The judgment came down that you were making personal attacks against me and that I would not be relieved. You have been warned in the past by myself and by other administrators so I do not need to repeat myself or the warnings of the past.

      I have expressed that my patience on this recurring matter is dwindling.

      This is all the more reason for you to step down.

      Finally, it's obvious that you are very sensitive to criticism, so I will just address my concerns to Fandyllic or any other on-duty admin

      So have a Good Day

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  • Please refer to this.

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  • I commented out the regex stuff in Template:C because it was breaking the template. It most likely just needs some defaults if the second param isn't provided.

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    • Hold off if you see this... I think I ran into a general template handling bug... the regex stuff may be okay.

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    • Yeah, it's some bug where you can't pass stuff in styled spans through the template.

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  • Here's the survey. Have a look and tell me if it's ready to go live.

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    • I'll have to carefully decide who I personally want to win. I don't personally think of these in terms of "best scene" or "best character" especially if the goal is simply to determine a single supreme winner. I guess there's a lot of conditions and gray areas for me just like the authors like to imply there are no true "good guys" or true "bad guys" but a lot of nuance and plausible justifications. It was also why I'd hoped you'd allow something like a top three or a top five or categories. Each each action influences an ebb and flow of thoughts/emotion.

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    • Actually, there is a podium - the first three characters/scenes are awarded esteemed distinctions, while the next 15% are awarded Honorable Mentions (i.e. they were good, but not good enough to be among the three winners).

      No, Avasarala explains that Mars is doomed in the epilogue of CB. Other than that, your suggestions will be taken into consideration and implemented. That's the beauty of Google Forms - I can edit the survey without the votes being reset.

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  • Hey! Thanks you for all the great contributions you've made to this wiki. As we previously have discussed, I'm not around as much nowadays. Therefore, I've made some additions to the admin team: I've made you and Fandyllic admins. You don't have to use your privileges if you don't want to, but feel free to improve any area of the site as you see fit, preferably by continuing the already excellent communication that seems to be present between you, Fandyllic and MysticalArchAngel. I hope this will help resolve some of the conflicts on the wiki, and I have the utmost trust that you will do so splendidly!

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  • What's kind of shameful is that I know I should not be using apostrophes like that. I'm sure that bugs a lot of people, my ma included (she's a court proofreader and an English literary teacher.) Keep up the good work, and, hopefully, I can curb my odd writing habits.

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    • LOL.

      You keep putting in technical content for the show.  I'd love to help in that department but, I'm lousy about documenting that kind of stuff.

      As far as grammar rules, it's hard if many contemporary school systems and probably home schools won't emphasize that stuff.  I have challenges with commas in some of the complex sentence structures.  It seems the rules I was taught aren't what's taught anymore.  Then again, my education emphasized avoidance of run-on sentence structures which many of the examples would fall into.

      I was just looking at some of the more peculiar examples too.  The word "its" is the possessive form and it's an exception where the apostrophe is omitted probably because it's so commonly needed and the pronoun itself should never seldom require pluralization with "s" as a suffix.

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    • I say it's shameful in my case because I was taught these simple rules. Not in public school, but in my early homeschool years (because my ma is a very astute teacher). I just sink into habits. I used to be far too liberal with commas.

      I love adding content to wikis like this, being the nerd that I am I love science fictions shows and games. I'm quite grateful for the sharper pairs of eyes to add the last touches to the sculpture.

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